Back in Elementary school, “Takes one to know one!” was an insurmountable retort, but now, many years later, we think it has some validity. For this column, we get one artist to interview another, while we sit back and record. Is it cheating? A little. But we’re really big fans of the results.

This month, Anthony Green of Circa Survive agreed to interview - and be interviewed by - The Dear Hunter front man Casey Crescenzo. The resulting conversation is long—so long, in fact, that we single-spaced it—but positively engrossing. (Honestly, stick with this piece: it reads like a well-written play.) Within the span of their forty-five minute conversation, Green and Crescenzo abuse one another, discuss their art, fret about the weather, spit phlegm on the street, propose marriage, and ultimately decide they need to talk more often.

AG=Anthony Green (left in photo)
CC=Casey Crescenzo (right in photo)

CC: Hello?
AG: Hello, asshole.
CC: Right on time as usual, Anthony. (*Ed. Note: The interview started 17 minutes late.)
AG: Shut up, bitch!
CC: You shut up! (Pause.) Actually… don’t shut up, Anthony.
AG: Yeah, don’t shut up right now. This would be the worst possible time for you to shut up… just keep speaking. Speak non-stop.
CC: Okay, so you are who and what are you doing?
AG: What?... Okay, I’m actually riding my bike right now.
CC: No, you’re not.
AG: Yes, I am. I’m riding my bike up the street.
CC: That’s so arrogant.
AG: No, I’m riding into town to get some kombucha.
CC: Some what, kambucho?
AG: Kombucha!
CC: What is that?
AG: Kombucha is a Himalayan wonder drink.
CC: Oh my god…
AG: It’s tea made of these weird mushrooms.
CC: You’re kidding…
AG: No, I’m not. It can fuckin’ cure AIDS and shit.
CC: I’m pretty sure it doesn’t cure AIDS. I mean, I don’t really know what it is, but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t cure AIDS. (Laughing)
AG: Listen - if you’re talking about being positive, I’m just trying to have some PMA here… and people talk about this shit curing AIDS and athlete’s foot so I drink it every day while I’m driving around.
CC: Athlete’s foot… huh.
AG: I’m driving into town on my bike and I’m talking to you and I have questions for you written on my arm.
CC: That’s awesome… that’s SO awesome.
AG: What are you doing right now?
CC: I’m playing Defender Y3K on addictinggames.com.
AG: Oh sweet, is that a video game?
CC: No, no it’s a uhh… yeah, video game.
AG: That’s pretty sweet. What’s the objective of the game?
CC: I don’t really know. You stock up on guns and try to kill things. That’s pretty much, um…
AG: Wow, that’s pretty positive, Casey.
CC: Well, yeah… it’s no crazy wonder AIDS drink, but you know, it keeps me happy.
AG: That’s good. It’s an important thing to be happy, and if killing things makes you happy, I’m all about it. (Laughs.) I’m happy for you, I’m happy for you… and I’m happy that you’re far, far away from me.
CC: It’s so strange how much I don’t like you. (Both laugh.) And I’m finally okay with saying that out loud.
AG: Yeah, it was never hard for me. I never got how hard it was for you to say it and express it, because it’s something that I… I’ll scream it from the fuckin’ rooftops! “Casey’s a motherfucker!”
CC: That’s really cool. I’m glad that you’re comfortable with… just hating people. Does that drink help with that?
AG: You know what I was curious about, though?
CC: What?
AG: I was curious about… the wind is picking up here; I’m going down a hill. (*Note: you can hear the wind in Anthony’s phone). I’m curious what you think about when you’re rockin’ out on stage. I mean, I was watching you guys the other day, and you were outside…
CC: Wait, were you actually being professional there and asking me a serious question?
AG: No, no. There’s nothing professional about what’s going on here… I am 100% professional all the time. I am actually curious about what you are thinking about when you’re singing and playing the guitar. You know what I mean? You’re taking care of your little pedal fucking faggot things you got goin’ on. I wonder what’s going through your mind.
CC: Um, I mean... I think that’s a better question for you, because I am almost statuesque on stage, with the exception of from-my-shoulders-up. My head bobs a little bit.
AG: Yeah, it doesn’t matter how much you move, what I’m saying is, like, what’s in your brain when you’re singing like… are you thinking of the things or the songs or do you get self-conscious? Do you have like, motions you’re going through in order to perform really well, or are you just like, trying to memorize your parts and just go crazy? You know? See, I’m not thinking about anything. You know what I think about? I think about dancin’. I mean, that is my question for you.
CC: I really… to be honest, sometimes my mind kind of wanders away, and I think about, like… I get lost in movie scenes a lot of the time, especially, like, Brazil. I pretty much don’t open my eyes like 90% of the time so…
AG: You think about Brazil?
CC: Yeah, have you ever seen that movie?
AG: Yeah, that movie is fucking amazing.
CC: It’s my favorite movie.
AG: It’s actually one of the things that we are trying to like, reference for our new video, the video we’re about to try to shoot in a couple of weeks.
CC: What are you trying to reference?
AG: Well, like the way the guy’s uniforms are in the movie. We were just like, “we want to reference this”.
CC: Well, you know those cut scenes that they do in the movie where he’s dreaming?
AG: Yeah.
CC: It’s kind of like that and then sometimes I’ll catch myself and I’m kind of lost and I’ll have to think pretty hard about the lyrics.
AG: I can completely relate to going in and out of consciousness. That would be probably the most honest answer to that question that I could have ever expected. It’s pretty cool.
CC: It’s fun!
AG: Yeah, just flashing constantly in and out of consciousness and being somewhere else in your memory or whatever.
CC: That isn’t to say that I am detaching myself from the audience. I think it’s just a really inspiring place to be, in front of all those people. It’s almost like you can be the most creative you can when you’re in front of them. So your mind will wander away from something you’ve already created to something that you could create or something that inspires you, and you kind of get lost, even if it’s completely abstract. You know, even if you just get lost in colors in your head or whatever. That’s usually where I go.
AG: That’s beautiful, man. It really is. What do you think about making a connection with the audience? How do you do that?
CC: I actually am very shy. I have uhh… trouble with… um. I’ll look at somebody who’s watching us and I know from their point of view it’s pretty comfortable if someone from the band looks at them and they enjoy it. But then I feel very um… self-conscious. And I get a little worried… not embarrassed, but I don’t… I mean it’s hard for me to… Well, usually I play with my eyes closed, and when I talk to the audience, I never know what to say. Especially like, in my last band, YOU know, I didn’t say shit. (Both laugh.) I was always just in the shadows… like a ninja.
AG: Yeah, you were kind of a ninja.
CC: I am. I’m a digital ninja. You’re kind of like a sonic samurai, you know, in that you’re very comfortable with it. You’re very comfortable with just being out in the open, you know, like a samurai, or some kind of…
AG: I really appreciate that comparison.
CC: Yeah, so you’re a samurai and I’m a ninja.
AG: That’s why we make a good team, dude.
CC: Yeah, I mean, that’s your personal opinion. I wouldn’t go that far. I mean… no, no, okay, here’s a question. How long did it take you to get as comfortable as you are talking to the audience and like, being that expressive, physically, on stage? Was it from the beginning? You were just comfortable on stage?
AG: I think I definitely tried things to become comfortable on stage. Like I would try to do and say things to be funny or to, like, make sense of the songs or something. I think anybody who puts him or herself through an awkward situation with trying to talk to a group of people… you learn really quick what to not ever do again and things not to say. And also when you’re trying stuff out, you learn that you just can’t try. There’s no sense in making any effort at all. Whatever comes naturally should just be said. It’s just about whatever comes naturally - you really shouldn’t try to do anything or force anything. I feel like, if I am really comfortable, I will act really comfortable and I’ll come off really comfortable. But if I’m not feeling comfortable, I think it will come off the same way. It’s the same thing in any social situation: if you feel comfortable, you’ll be fine and if you feel freaked out, you’ll freak everybody out.
CC: So what do you suggest to get comfortable?
AG: I don’t know. I mean, before we play, I’ll creatively visualize us, already on stage. I’ll visualize myself out there, hitting all the notes; I’ll hear them in my head. I’ll just do that, even for just a couple of minutes. I’ll just be real quiet and close my eyes and think about how awesome the feeling is of being on stage and feeling like you’re putting on a good performance, and you’re able to lose yourself in the moment. I don’t know, it works for basketball players so… creating a visualization always helped me out.
CC: See, that’s hard for me because I don’t have an imagination.
AG: Oh right, I forgot. I forgot that. You lost it. Didn’t you lose that in an accident involving fireworks or something?
CC: It was a fireworks accident. I was on top of a really tall building and I had tethered myself to a bunch of fireworks, because I was hoping and had imagined - I could still imagine at that point - that I would be taking off like a Wyle E. Coyote. Of course it didn’t work, because I’m still here. It didn’t happen.
AG: But, obviously, you’re back.
CC: Yeah, I mean, I’m back, but part of me can never come back, you know?
AG: No. No, I’m not sure what you’re saying.
CC: Yeah, I don’t know either so… what is it like… being… the phoniest person you know?
AG: Um, pretty much a struggle every day to not kill myself.
CC: I’m sorry - you know that was pretty stupid of me to say, and I take it back, and I love you.
AG: I mean, I’m just trying to be honest. I thought this was going to be a puff piece for God’s sake. (Laughs.)
CC: Oh man…
AG: I thought we could do stuff like “what’s your favorite color?” Jesus Christ…
CC: Okay, what’s your favorite color?
AG: It’s, uh… fuck you, Casey… that’s what my favorite color is.
CC: Really, you know what mine is?
AG: What?
CC: Do you want to know what mine is? Do you really want to know?
AG: It’s probably… what. What is it?
CC: Blue. It’s my middle name.
AG: Your middle name is Blue?
CC: Yeah.
AG: You’re a fucking lying piece of shit.
CC: Dude, if we were sitting next to each other - which we should have been if we actually did this interview when we were supposed to - if we would have done that, I could show you my I.D.
AG: Really? Your middle name is Blue? Is it spelled like the color?
CC: Yeah, what do you think? [That] it’s spelled like the cheese?
AG: Dude, that’s just weird. They must print your name, for this article, as “Casey Blue however-the-fuck-you-pronounce-your-last-name”…
CC: Crescenzo!
AG: Crowshenzae. Casey… Blue… Crowshenzae… or whatever.
CC: I don’t like you anymore! You know what…
AG: You never did! You never liked me!
CC: You know when I stopped liking you?
AG: Tell me.
CC: You slapped me in the face the first time we met.
AG: (Laughing) Listen, that night, I do not want to talk about in this interview. Number one. Number two, um, being the fakest person in the entire world, I’m pretty used to people not liking me. So, whatever.
CC: Sickest?
AG: No, fakest.
CC: Oh, I thought you said sickest, like you are the awesomest person around.
AG: No, being the most fraudulent person alive, I’m pretty used to people being like, “I hate you.” I don’t give a fuck!
CC: First of all, that isn’t even true. I don’t think anybody hates you.
AG: I think the first time I met you I slapped you in the face because you said something about a dead friend of mine.
CC: That’s not true. That’s not true, and if it’s printed I’m going to hurt you and I’m gonna make fun of you.
AG: There’s a lot of shit that’s gonna get printed when this comes out because I’m calling these people after this interview and shit’s gonna get taken care of for real.
CC: Listen, the reason you slapped me… do you want to know?
AG: What?
CC: Umm… I made a sexual advance at you…
AG: Do not talk about that night!
CC: The world needs to know. I’m comfortable with it because I’VE GOTTEN OVER YOU! Okay, I’m over you… FUCK! I made a sexual advance, so what? I didn’t know you had sexual boundaries.
AG: Can we… I mean, can we try and do some professional…
CC: (Reading question provided by Soundcheck) “Which is better, music for art or music for entertainment?” (Laughs.)
AG: Oh, are you seriously going to ask me that question? “What’s better, music for art or entertainment”? My God!
CC: I don’t think you can…
AG: I read that question, too! I read that question, too. But seriously, how can you answer that question? I mean, what the fuck kind of question is that? Art, or entertainment. Like when you’re flashing in and out of consciousness and you’re on stage… I mean, what is the difference between… being entertaining and… how can you not entertain by art?
CC: Okay, okay, here’s the question. Or here is how I would word it for you: If you had to choose between only writing or only performing music forever, which would you choose?
AG: Uhh….
CC: As in, which…
AG: I get it, but that would be the suckiest thing ever. I don’t know, man, I would want to perform and write… I would want to do both.
CC: That’s cheating. That’s like me saying “A or B” and you saying “C”. I know you have some pull in this industry, but not on this question.
AG: That happens all the time in life.
CC: No, no….
AG: Alright, writing. Writing!
CC: See, so you agree that music for art is better because you think of it more as… I mean, performing is entertaining, but, at the same time, the soul of it is in the fact that, if you weren’t playing music you are inspired by, …then you would have nothing. You would not be entertaining or fun. You wouldn’t be having any fun, really, whatever that means.
AG: You know, okay, I see your point, you’re fine. That’s good. Okay, next question. (Both laugh.)
CC: Your hair, your hair.
AG: I don’t want to talk about my hair.
CC: Okay, how about mine?
AG: Umm, I think it looks good. Last time I saw it, it was good. You dyed it a little brown.
CC: I dyed it red, but that’s fine, you knew I dyed it. Umm…
AG: It looks like there is a massive storm cloud that just rolled right into town. It is getting windy and it’s about to start storming and I need to find cover. It’s really cool to look at while we’re doing this, but go ahead… go on, I’m sorry.
CC: Umm… do you have a dog?
AG: I had a dog, his name was Mookey. He died, like a couple of years ago. He died while Circa was on tour. He was an old man.
CC: Oh, sorry I brought that up.
AG: That’s okay, do you have a dog?
CC: I do, and it’s sitting right next to me.
AG: Oh really? I wish I was curled up with a dog. My girlfriend actually has a friend with a dog named Lolly, and we go see that dog all the time. It’s amazing, it’s a puppy and it’s awesome… I may need to go in a second; it’s looking really nasty. It looks like the whole city is… it looks like Armageddon is happening right now. (Says something to someone in background)
CC: Uhhh, oh my God. Listen, do you want to talk or do you just want to talk to other people while we’re on the phone with each other?
AG: No, I’m down to talk.
CC: Yeah, what are you thinking about right now?
AG: I’ve been thinking about writing for the last couple of weeks. After getting done with this new record, I want to go home and write a lot. I want to put together a bunch of demos.
CC: What?
AG: Since I heard The Dear Hunter shit.
CC: That’s a lie and you know it.
AG: No, you know what, I was listening this morning and I’m gonna come see you guys on the 27th.
CC: Really?
AG: Yeah, since you’re making me be in the studio. I have a little studio in my room.
CC: You know, you could come to Boston for like a week and we could have like 3 albums done.
AG: Let’s do it, let’s do it in like a week.
CC: Oh yeah, you say that now. And then when I call you later it’s gonna be, “listen, do you know who I am?”…
AG: We have to play a bunch of shows for this record release, and we’re doing a whole bunch of stuff around that…
CC: We submitted for those.
AG: Did you really?
CC: Yeah, but you know, you’re fine. We know our place…
AG: These are in-stores and shit. There’s no opening band for in-stores.
CC: No, we submitted for the…
AG: You’re just bullshitting now.
CC: We didn’t… we didn’t submit for anything.
AG: You’ve never submitted for anything in your life and you know it.
CC: I know…
AG: We could make some of the best music ever though. Together.
CC: Listen, I… will you come when you’re done? Because I have nothing until the 28th.
AG: I will, I definitely will. And you can come down and stay with us, too, and stay on my couch.
CC: I am the producer, with the studio.
AG: Okay…
CC: And you will do what I say.
AG: And what am I?
CC: You? I don’t even know what you are. You’re like a little (*ed. note: unintelligible word, sounds like “lute nit”) that I found, that I keep in my pocket and I feed a jellybean to every full moon.
AG: I love jellybeans!
CC: See? I know that… How did you get into being a musician, slash, what was the first song or band that turned you on to music? (Laughs.)
AG: Uh, I don’t know. I was always listening to my brothers, and they were always listening to all this intense music that made me feel really crazy, like rock and roll and punk and fuckin’… fuck and fuck…
CC: I’m gonna ask you another question. I’m gonna ask you what I am actually wondering, because I don’t think I wonder any of these questions about you (referencing question list provided by SC).
AG: Okay man, talk to me. Talk to me.
CC: So… okay, here you go. Umm… When you’re writing lyrics, do you ever feel… well, I’m guessing… do you ever write from personal experience from situations that have happened that are very close to you, and if you do, do you ever feel kind of… uh, what’s the damn word… conflicted on bearing your soul, especially if it involves people around you that are still close?
AG: Yeah, it’s definitely weird when you are writing songs and it is about the people around you that you see every day or you see once in a while. You don’t necessarily…I mean, for me, I don’t necessarily tell everybody what my songs are about, but sometimes they can kind of tell…
CC: Yeah…
AG: …and sometimes they kind of can’t. I definitely feel conflicted, but I never feel conflicted about writing…
CC: No, yeah…
AG: …it conflicts with me to play it for them…
CC: Yeah… do you find it kind of therapeutic at least if you have a lot of… not “problems” with people, but whatever issues you might have, like… just the ability to express them especially on a more, umm… broad canvas, I guess I would say? Instead of just keeping a diary or something.
AG: Yeah, and it’s like the best therapy ever, being able to write something about the way you’re feeling… ah… it really is. I’ve done some hardcore therapy, and there’s nothing that touches being able to express your feelings and have them come through compassionately. I don’t know… I mean… do you know what I mean?
CC: I know exactly what you mean…
AG: When you actually write something and you hear it, it’s like, “Wow, this is really making me feel good about myself.”… (Laughs.) And it’s totally true; I mean, I feel like it’s totally honest. That’s the best, most wonderful thing ever. (Hocks a loogie.)
CC: Do you ever feel… not “upset”, but really frustrated when it’s, like, something that is completely you opening up, even if it’s not for the sake of being emo or anything like that, and you get that for it…
AG: How does an artist actually get to the core of what they’re trying to create or co-create or whatever, if they’re not allowed to be completely open and honest about their emotions, which sometimes is fucked up? And I hate how people say “emo”, I fuckin’ hate how people, like…
CC: I thinks it’s because, for the longest time, people are kind of used to - if music touches on any kind of emotional core, it’s so much more general and so much less like… you know, because when you get super personal it really opens up how much people really bond with something that’s so specific. When you get so specific you can tell…
AG: Seriously, when you listen to something and somebody’s like, “Yeah, I can really relate to that, it makes me feel like a different person”… It’s the same thing when you’re able to do that for yourself. I don’t know, it’s the best feeling in the entire world. I can’t really understand how artists go about being detached from that aspect of it.
CC: It’s ironic that they had to come up with a name like “emo” to define an emotional genre of music. It’s so…
AG: Isn’t hip-hop emotional? Isn’t metal emotional? I mean…
CC: Yeah, exactly…
AG: Isn’t reggae emotional? I mean, fuck! When I first heard the term “emo”, like… I didn’t know whether or not people were talking about, you know, The Get Up Kids or Elliott or, like, this heavy, crazy shit, or like, Hot Water Music. Or some other genre. I don’t know, I don’t know what it is.
CC: I think it’s anybody who hears somebody sing about something, whether it’s brutally honest or uncomfortably honest, and they don’t really know what to make of it, it’s like, “Oh, they’re being emo.” Any time you escape into… any time you open up beyond the normal amount of opening up in art, now it’s just classified as being “emo.” Which is funny – “emo” can be anybody from like, Thursday to Elliott Smith, you know?... You still there? You’re gone?
AG: Hello?
CC: Hello?
AG: Hey.
CC: Did you hear anything I said?
AG: No, I did, just the last three seconds of it got cut off.
CC: Oh… well, I just asked you to marry me.
AG: No, I think you’re absolutely right. I totally agree with you and feel like it’s just ridiculous that people, like - that that’s like a staple now.
CC: So, sub-question…
AG: Okay.
CC: If it’s frustrating to you that you, as a lyricist, would be doing what I think is your responsibility, which is opening up completely - then you do open up, and you might be just written off as being “emo”, or written off because you sing with a little bit more passion… any kind of passion, and then you’re called “screaming”, you know?
AG: Yeah, and it’s really frustrating to want to do the best thing that you possibly can ever, but then your people tear it apart because of whatever their preconceived notions are… that’s really frustrating.
CC: You know what’s really frustrating for me?
AG: What?
CC: When I sing - and I sing loud and sing higher than I’m comfortable singing, my voice breaks up naturally… and I’m having…
AG: It sounds pretty cool. It sounds pretty cool though.
CC: But then just being told how people love screaming. You know, “screamo”. That’s just a little frustrating.
AG: Yeah, well...
CC: But you don’t care, though.
AG: Yeah, it’s frustrating, because… when I’m on stage, I end up doing a lot more throaty stuff, and people are like, “Whoa, it doesn’t sound like it does on the record…”
CC: Yeah, see, people can listen to the record if they want to hear the record. That whole argument is just the most backwards argument, because why would you pay almost the same amount that you could go buy the record, just to see somebody just play the record? The whole point is to go in and be a part of something and witness something that is unique. Instead of just to go and listen to something you’ve heard a million times, you know?
AG: Absolutely.
CC: What are you doing, are you eating right now?
AG: No, it just started to rain really bad out and I’m trying to figure out… my bike is outside, and I’m like a mile away from my house. I’m trying to figure out how the hell I’m gonna get home! (Laughs.)
CC: I could pick you up.
AG: Come pick me up.
CC: I’ll be there in, like, seven hours, though.
AG: I’m sitting in this vegetarian deli right now, just staring out the window at this rain. I just rode out of my development and it was the most beautiful, sunny weather ever, and now it’s, like, raining horribly.
CC: I’m really sorry, buddy…
AG: I think it’s just gonna rain really hard and then blow over and be really nice for the rest of the day. …Hello?
CC: Yeah, I’m here.
AG: One of the things I was wondering is, when you come up with the harmonies… like, is that something that you developed, or is that something that you were, like, just naturally able to do always?
CC: Well, when I… I never really took lessons of any kind, theory lessons or vocal lessons, but I would sit in the car with my mom and she would play old records. She would never sing the main vocal lines, she would always sing the harmonies and she would always, like… even if there is a three-part harmony on the recording, she would sing the fourth harmony. Just from being around parents that were so musical and so into harmony. Like, my dad was really into music, he was into jazz and fusion, so his arrangements were very dense. Growing up around stuff like that just made it really easy to understand.
AG: That’s really cool. My mom used to listen to Carly Simon and, like, old Paul Simon and Rod Stewart when we were in the car.
CC: Umm… here’s a question. No, actually, I don’t really have anything. I am just really happy to be talking to you because…
AG: We don’t really talk very often.
CC: No, and umm, hands down you’re my favorite person that I’ve come across and…
AG: You’re one of my favorite people in the world, man. Really…
CC: And I love you. (Said seriously)
AG: I love you too, man. (Also said seriously) We should do this more often.
CC: We should. You’re trying to leave, aren’t you?
AG: I have to figure out how I’m gonna get home.
CC: So this is over, according to you.
AG: Yeah, I think this is ending.
CC: We didn’t even talk!
AG: We didn’t, I know…
CC: Wait… then fine, I’ll ask one more question.
AG: Okay.
CC: Okay, if…
AG: Okay hold on, hold on, hold on just one second.
CC: Oh, come on!
AG: Okay, go ahead, I think I got it.
CC: If you could do anything different from the beginning of when you started playing in bands until now, would you?
AG: Y…err, uhh…
CC: As far as your whole life musically…
AG: Umm… (Long pause.) Yeah, I would.
CC: You don’t have to tell me what.
AG: Yeah, I would. I would do something different.
CC: I mean, I would, too.
AG: What would you have done?
CC: What would I have done?
AG: Yeah.
CC: I guess there was a certain period of time in my life when I was really, like, volatile, I guess. It’s really tough because I’m really happy where I am right now, and it’s like, if you changed something, would you be the same, but there was a period of my life where I was really, like… not fun to be around, and just not social, and completely socially awkward. Not in like a crazy artist way, I just was not fun to be around. If I could go back to then and just relax and just enjoy my life more…
AG: Yeah, that’s what I would do.
CC: That would be nice.
AG: I think if I would have gone back to when… to before I was in California and I was back home, I think I would have taken the time that I had and everything more seriously and gone to the studio more and do way more stuff as a young man than I actually got to do, recording-wise. I would have recorded every possible chance; I would have spent all my money on it. I wish I would have done that while I was young and when I didn’t give a shit about anything. Now it’s like you have to go in there and you have to record a record and then two years later you do another one, and then you go on tour for it… operating system. I didn’t get enough chance, I mean, I feel like I didn’t get enough time, and I spent a lot of time, you know? But I feel like I miss creatively being able to just go into the studio and being able to record whatever you want and do whatever you want and do it for what it is and nothing else fuckin’ matters. It was beautiful.
CC: It’s a scary idea to think that you might be stuck on the two-year rotation for the rest of your life and you’ll only be able to make, like… you know…
AG: I’m going to kill myself in like, a few weeks.
CC: Oh really?
AG: I’ve had enough.
CC: I think that’s, uhh… that kind of changed the mood a little. (AG laughs.) I’m gonna go ahead and say that I wasn’t expecting that. I should have been.
AG: I’m gonna go ahead and go with the good old suicide joke. (Laughs.)
CC: Good, old fashioned wrist-slitting jokes.
AG: I’m a joker…
CC: You know what, though? If we can’t do that… then don’t you kind of feel like…
AG: The terrorists win.
CC: Oh my God, dude, I was totally going to say that! (Laughs.) Why don’t you just let me do it because I thought it was a good punch line! God, it’s so weird how we finish each other’s…
AG: I’m inside your brain.
CC: It’s so weird how we finish each other’s…
AG: Sentences.
CC: Well, I was going to say “meals”, but whatever… but seriously, I know you have to go, but you should definitely, aside from this interview thing, just make yourself a little more accessible to me… not to anyone else.
AG: I make a vow to you that I will. I promise.
CC: Maybe bring yourself down a few rungs to everybody else’s… to everyone else you know - family, friends, and girlfriend, whatever. Just remember who I am and what I can do for you and think whatever you want… and think about me when you’re lonely and let’s really make some headway on this relationship here.
AG: I like the headway, I like the headway.
CC: Did you figure out how you’re getting home?
AG: No, I’m going to call Maris and try to get her to come pick me up. How about I call you tonight… I have a couple of questions about new Windows that I thought I could ask you. (Laughs.)
CC: Yeah, any time I can be your fucking tech support, like, that’s the only time you fucking call me in the last… forever! That’s awesome. I love to be on the other end, talking about a program instead of to my friend, and then having him just hang up on me as soon as he figures the shit out and then I’m left sitting there to contemplate my self-worth and how it relates to people I know…
AG: In all honesty, your new record is one of the most inspiring things I’ve heard ever in my life. I’m definitely gonna call you later, when we’re not at risk of being recorded.
CC: Well, please do, and I’ll talk to you then.
AG: I love you so much, dude…
CC: I love you too, dude. Hopefully you get home safe.
AG: Okay, I’ll give you a call… Casey, Casey… lose the attitude…
CC: Nice… did Anthony leave?
Soundcheck Magazine: I think he did.
CC: Alright. Later, man.
SM: Later.